Exxon Valdez 2 and a few more oil spills added

[rawcreations]

I take it you are a specialist on these matters and Horween codovan hides from Horween...you claim this is not a cordovan colored leather...can I send you my NEW glove, will you inspect it, do us all a favor, check it out yourself. I will pay the shipping to and from and any labor involved...cash, ck or credit card, Master or Visa. BTW: I'll get the name of the Horween phone helper that talked/gave us the info about the cordovan leather..it is still produced and it still cost alot. Since you work at Rawlings ?? check with sales and production..how many were made in a cordovan color with an HBB01, if I send the glove to you, you will have the opportunity to check the glove and return your findings. I hope you can be trusted to send the glove back to me.

[Musashi]

Rawcreations,

I sincerely hope that this post doesn't violate Rule 4 of the forum's Code of Conduct - I certainly don't intend for this post to be a personal attack, but I really feel this matter must be addressed. I don't know what your agenda is, but posting false statements on the forum, and accusing a member of dishonesty doesn't seem to be the most effective way to go about it.

First of all, you've totally contradicted yourself in your posts. Initially, you would have us all believe that the (your) item is an ultra-rare, handmade glove constructed of "cordovan" leather, and worth around $500. Not only did you put your self forward as an expert on leather / gloves, but you dropped some serious names to back up what we now know was totally false. Only after people who know what they're talking about (including a legendary, long-time, Rawlings employee and glove designer) have come forward and stated their opinions, did you change your story. However, in doing so, you basically revealed that you were lying in your first post. And now, after what you've said (and especially in the manner in which you've said it), you want one of our most distinguished members to authenticate your glove? With all due respect, you're in no position to question Doc's qualifications - his achievements and his contributions to the game are not only verifiable, but absolutely unquestionable. That said, don't be surprised if you get a somewhat chilly response - if you get any response at all.

Second, assuming for the moment that you were defrauded, nobody pressed the "Bid Now" button for you, and it's ultimately your fault (sure, I'll go on record and state that I don't buy the "neighbor with 16 grandkids" story) for not doing your research before you bought the item. If you feel that you were actually defrauded by the seller, then it's your duty to work it out with the seller, and NOT air it out in a public forum. Either confront the seller, reverse the payment, or go through the official Ebay channels to remedy your situation.

Furthermore, how would you know that the seller is a member of the forum anyway? Membership in this forum is hardly a piece of information that any seller would include in his listing, or would volunteer to a buyer. Additionally, just for the sake of argument, if we assume that the seller is in fact a member, why would you post that false story here in the first place? Not that I'm a veteran of this forum by any means, but lying to the membership and publicly accusing a member of ripping you off is not only rude, but totally uncalled for - and borders on libel. However, if you know who the member is, then you should contact him/her directly - just leave your dirty laundry out of the forum.

In my opinion, though I see some elements of truth in your latest post, I have a hard time believing any of your stories. Personally, I feel that your actions have put your own integrity under the microscope. In any case, whether you have a legitimate issue with one of our members or not, I highly suggest that you stop posting accusatory remarks.

[RichieRich]

Rawcreations,

Are you a fan of red herring?

[Chicago Red Sox Fan]

Wasn't it Rodney King who said: "Why can't we all just get along?"

For me, the postings of rawcreations are sounding like disjointed rants - somewhat tiresome, but . . . I'm sure I'm not alone in wondering how Musashi got that coat to stand up by itself!

[rawcreations]

I was wondering if the initial comments made in the blog were libel or just something to say about someone or their practices. i like this web site, my neighboor really does have 16 grand children...amazing! I guess John wanted to vent...so he used this site to reply to the initial quality control issues..we are all just telling the truth, regardless of the way others might think of the situation. Johnny press the button "Confirm Bid" on an auction with a name attached..another person send a link to this site indicating this blog and member responses on the practice of leather conditioning, many reply's have been made, alot of phone call's made to some very educated individuals in the leather industry..all helpful comments. After recieving the link to this site..WE decided to respond, also making collective information sharing remarks...not being bias or rude, just information. a seller, name had to be mentioned to send payment to, the sellers name was mentioned in a blog, along with an address and even a phone number...full name, names are used in this blog found, well the match was made, further...pictures are found to be displayed, it is found that the same background in the auction initally prepared is a match. By the way, am a Digital Media Arts student at UNM, I took the images and made a direct match of the back ground. Yes, am retired also, I enrolled at UNM out of boredom. We have shared a great deal of information since the initial comments were made and the email recieved with the link to this web site. Libel, I think not!...none the less, I have a new glove and I'd like to know more about it, I want to get on the band wagon and see where this glove takes me..previous owners are established...now let's see about the numbers and state of it's origin. Should anyone have a comment about the treatment process...it was here when I got it and I know where it came from and I know who owned it. Rawlings and Marron/cordovan leathers are next in line I pray...unless someone wants to know where this glove came from in it's last 3 ownerships, I have the original pictures now and I have pictures from this web site, I have digital processing from a lab at UNM where am a student..the plot thickens, who oiled the glove in question or as this blog initially started.."Who are the Idiots", am not trying to implicate...I know! ok....now who can help me with the glove..what kind of leather is this, we have those in the know about production issues and design, where at all possible the glove can be sent for inspection. Further replies from Horween Leather Company are waiting, is this even Horween leather, Johnny says it is, I don't know...the previous owner says it is...nobody has given a definitive reply on its orgin. Johnny pulled the glove from EBay because the glove created more problems then its worth...besides he did not want to give birth to more "Idiots", "turkey basters", and "Major Oil Refinment Employees".
My Name is Johnny Ramos : jnramos@unm.edu, am a member of the Student Government at UNM, a Phi Theta Kappa Honor Society member and am on the National Deans list. IF, you wish to continue communication..please do so at my UNM address. OR call....see profile.

[fuzzydogg22]

Ebay has a feedback system for a reason.

[drzubia8]

I'm confused Is rawcreations refering to himself in the third person or are there two people named johnny? Is rawcreations actually ebay member crzrnvlb? I find these posts very incoherent but yet I can't wait for the next installment. Thanks doubleswitch for getting things started.

"All the lonely people
where do they all come from?"

Lennon/Mcartney

[Musashi]

Yeah, I agree, it's like a train wreck...you know you should just walk away, but you just can't help but watch.

So Mr. Ramos, which "Johnny" do we now have the pleasure of addressing? With all due respect, if your credentials are legitimate, I would think that a Phi Theta Kappa would exhibit a better command of written English. I won't even touch the fact that UNM is a FOUR-year university, and PTK is an honor society for TWO year colleges... Please, just come clean, and quit now before you say anything else...

If you read my post, you'll note that I stated "borders on libel". While you didn't technically cross the line, you're closer than you might think - and I have 3 years of law school and over 10 years of legal practice to back that opinion.

Nevertheless, I for one would agree to wipe the slate clean - I wouldn't want to turn away a fellow glover. However, you should understand that by saying what you did, you certainly made a bad first impression. Come to think of it, I can't imagine how you could've made a worse one. That said, I think that you owe the forum an explanation and an apology. I feel that everyone here would agree that lying to the forum, and publicly accusing a "member" of dishonesty is, in fact, both rude and uncalled for - no matter what your reasons were.

[rawcreations]

"and publicly accusing a member of dishonesty is, in fact, rude and uncalled for - no matter what your reasons were."

WRONG again!!!

ok..ok, I'll send my accusations to Brett in a private email and allow him to to view the names and why we were so upset....if you wish, you can ask him for reasons implied.
I am a Digital Media Arts major, not an english major...do you respond to all entries like that...indicating english grammer?

We have a great Law School here at UNM.

UNM-Valencia Campus

[fuzzydogg22]

or, you could go straight to the source like a responsible forum member.

[rawcreations]

doubleswitch: was it 90ft_fromhome in EBay who delivered the fatal blow in Ontario, Canada

or was it: the seller!

good night!

[Musashi]

I read your posts, and though I can recognize the words as belonging to the English language...I have NO idea what you just said, or more importantly, what you meant. In any case, please give Brett our collective regards - I can't wait to see what happens.

P.S. "[G]rammer" (sic) refers to actor Kelsey Grammer (a.k.a. "Dr. Frasier Crane"), and not to "grammar", the proper usage of words, punctuation, and syntax in crafting coherent sentences.

P.P.S. I only send such replies to people who claim to be a nationally-recognized scholar of a well-known university, yet fail to exhibit a basic understanding of the English language.

[fuzzydogg22]

rawcreations,

if by "the fatal blow" you are speaking of the original seller, i believe you may be mistaken. That user has private feedback, and per ebay regulations:

"Important: If you have a private Feedback Profile, you will not be able to sell items on eBay."

that passage was taken directly from ebay.

[vintagebrett]

Ok guys, that is enough for now. I am going to lock up this thread - rawcreations, and anyone else directly involved, if you would like, you are welcome to email me your concerns at vintagebrett@yahoo.com