Vintage Baseball Glove Forum

Mr. VintageBrett I am writing this entry to warn everyone from eBay and web forum member / username: yhoj_2 AKA “Eriberto Gumban”

Sir, I have gathered all the facts and here they are:

Here are the facts:

I had bought a Great Rawlings HOH-80TFon 18-Oct-08 from eBay username “zappermeek” (by the way great service/great price highly recommended eBayer). I only paid $90 for this great glove. I planned to re-lace the glove and keep it for myself.

Here is where it begins…


1. On 23-Oct-08 I received the following email from yhoj_2:
You've received a message from an eBay member
Sent By: "eBay Member: yhoj_2" <member@ebay.com>
On: Oct 10/23/08 10:16 PM
To: enriquez26
Reply to: "gumban eriberto" <gumban.eriberto@yahoo.com>

Dear enri26,

Hi,

I'm willing to offer you $200 shipped Priority Insured(assuming the lining has no holes or tears and is still solid), but the transaction has to be completed through eBay. If you're interested just coordinate with me and set up an auction with a BUY IT NOW of say $190 w/ $10 shipping, stating in detail a description of the glove and photos. I don't mind if you use the photos your seller used. Just so there's no mistake what glove I am buying. Ideally I'd like the glove as I saw it in the auction you won, so no need to clean and condition it or relace it. I'd like to do that myself. There's another guy who won one at the end of July whom I made the same offer to, but he won't be back in town till tomorrow, but he's already been informed that I'm interested. His is just slightly better than yours condition-wise because his clothe label is intact and nice.

So just let me know soon. If we come to a deal first I will honor it. Immediately after the auction I will pay in the form of a US POSTAL MONEY ORDER and send it out Priority Mail with Delivery Confirmation. This you can cash at any U.S. Post Office so it's pretty straight forward.

Thanks for your time.
- yhoj_2


2. So I agreed to sell him the glove: Here is his 2nd email on 24-Oct-08:
Re: You've received a message from an eBay member
Sent By: "Eriberto Gumban" <gumban.eriberto@yahoo.com> On: Oct 10/24/08 1:03 AM
To: enriquez26
Reply to: "gumban eriberto" <gumban.eriberto@yahoo.com>

Mr. Enriquez,

I went ahead and hit the BUY IT NOW. The guy you bought the glove from is actually from my area and I got the chance to speak with him in regards to the condition of the glove. So it should be fine. Just as long as you don't play catch with it.
Get it ready to be shipped. If you are willing to add Delivery Confirmation to the Priority Mail box the glove is going into, I can have my secretary Express Mail to you my Postal Money Order rather than 2-3 day priority mail, so that you should get it by Saturday.. Deal?
Like I said, you can cash it at the post office.. You have to go there anyway to mail the glove out. This way you can handle everything all in one shot.

Anyhow, I appreciate your willingness to close the deal right away.

Thanks, again.
E.Gumban


3. Email after I sent the Bill via eBay: Here is another email on the same day (24-Oct-08)

SUBJECT: I will be sending payment of US $200,00 shortly for eBay item #270291980207, Rawlings 13" Heart of the Hide Pro Baseball glove/mitt

Sent By: "eBay Member: yhoj_2" <checkout@ebay.com> On: Oct 10/24/08 1:07 AM
To: enriquez26
Cc: "gumban eriberto" <gumban.eriberto@yahoo.com>
Reply to: "gumban eriberto" <gumban.eriberto@yahoo.com>

Dear enri26,
I will be sending payment of US $200,00 via Money Order/CashierCheck shortly.
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Item #/Item Title Qty Price
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270291980207 1US $190,00
Rawlings 13" Heart of the Hide Pro Baseball glove/mitt

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Subtotal: US $190,00
Shipping and handling via US Postal Service Priority Mail: US $10,00
Shipping insurance (not offered): --

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Total: US $200,00
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Please ship to the following address:
Eriberto Gumban
Law Offices of Cagandahan, Javeed, &amp; Gumban
27536 Ponderosa Ct.
Hayward, CA 94545
United States
(510) 750-9044

I will send payment to the following address:
Jesus Enriquez
Tucson, AZ 85746
United States

Thank you.

yhoj_2


4. Here is the 4th email dated 24-Oct-08: He sends me USPS Mailing information:

Re: You've received a message from an eBay member
Sent By: "Eriberto Gumban" <gumban.eriberto@yahoo.com> On: Oct 10/24/08 6:13 PM
To: enriquez26
Reply to: "gumban eriberto" <gumban.eriberto@yahoo.com>

Postal Money Order #130187940__ ($200)
Express Mail Tracking #EH 3583899__ US

Probably should give it till after midnight to track it. Takes a minute for them to update their systems, but it went out with all our other mail from the office. Post Office my secretary takes it to is at the San Francisco International Airport so it's well on it's way.

Glove ready?

E.Gumban


5. Message email message #5 – I posted a question on the forum because I started to suspect something…

The post on the forum is titled: “Why do some Heart of the Hide models start with PRO and some HOH”

Here is the link: http://www.vintagebaseballgloveforum.co ... php?t=2834
From the forum: yhoj_2 Rookie Glove Poster
Joined: 04 Oct 2008
Posts: 1 Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 7:29 pm Post subject:
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That depends on who the buyer is.
I paid you what I did because I wanted a 13" Trapeze made of solid enough leather to last me till I was seventy, assuming I stay healthy and strong enough to play till then.
In reality it's not as in demand in the hobby as say a 12TC or a SBT, both in really really nice condition can go for $200 on up. Had a chance to pick up a 13-inch SBT from a local softball player / HOH collector for $225. Glove was beautiful. But.....after spending so many years playing with a Trapeze I just couldn't see myself switching.
I have too many other gloves, for collecting purposes, that are on my WISH LIST to warrant spending that much money on a glove I won't use nor have any interest in collecting.
But it was an awesome glove and it is pretty rare and popular.
It seems like there are fewer Trapeze users and collectors than there are H-web guys.
Anyhow, to add to this, I just wanted to be fair to you, so I calculated what you spend and simply doubled it. This way, you at least get paid for your being at the right place at the right time to hit that BUY IT NOW when you did.
I've been collecting pre-war gloves for the past eight years and have come across some pretty rare gloves getting lucky and beating others to the punch, so I respect your efforts...and your timing.
Another guy won one in slightly nicer shape last July. He got back to me today and is willing to sell his, too. Though I offered him $150 + $10 for shipping. Now I have a gamer and a back-up.
In short, I paid what I paid because I wanted the glove. I might have overpaid but this way both parties are happy and I have no bad karma to take with me onto the field.
E.Gumban
Here is the email he sent me after posting the above info on the forum:
Jesse,

I left you a message on the Vintage Glove Forum. Just so you understand why I went all out and offered you double what I paid for the glove.

Trust me, it's not some ultra rare, high in demand, high dollar glove. I use a 13" Trapeze now, though made in the Philippines. I just wanted to upgrade my glove to something with better leather and better craftsmanship since I'm playing a lot more than I used to.

At 37 years old I'd like to play well into my sixties, so I just wanted a couple of solid gloves that will last me that long. This "made in the Philippnes" glove wasn't going to cut it. Anyhow, just wanted to pay you back for what the glove cost you, plus a premium for selling it to me. That's all.

A friend of mine who collects a lot of the rare Rawlings gloves tried to talk me out of buying your glove and buy his awesome conditioned SBT. Just couldn't see myself switching to a H-web glove after using a Trap for so long.

Anyhow, thanks, again. Hope this gives you a better understanding why you were able to double your money.

E.Gumban

6. Message #6 – I sent him an email telling him that his “Express USPS” package was not received on Saturday as promised.

From: enriquez26
Subject: Re: You've received a message from an eBay member
To: gumban.eriberto@yahoo.com
Date: Saturday, October 25, 2008, 6:50 PM

Didn't you send it express overnight? Now the post office is telling me I'm not getting it until the 28th...Tuesday!

Re: You've received a message from an eBay member
Sent By: "Eriberto Gumban" <gumban.eriberto@yahoo.com>
On: Oct 10/25/08 12:05 PM
To: enriquez26
Reply to: "gumban eriberto" <gumban.eriberto@yahoo.com>
The "EH" at the begining of the tracking number signifies the Express Mail code the postal service uses. 28th? I don't think so. I already called the post office it left from. They say if it didn't get to you today it's because it was brought in too late. Noon time is the guarantee for next day. Expect it tomorrow or Monday at the latest. Sunday delivery depends on the Post Office that services your area.

I've gotten mail on Sundays due to it being Priority and Express. But that's my post office.


7. Email #7
From: Eriberto Gumban <gumban.eriberto@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 11:05:34 -0700 (PDT)
To: <enriquez26@comcast.net>
Subject: Glove and Money

j,

I'm in court both today and tomorrow. By the way, I work as a PI for my brother who is an attorney. I have to testify in a case he's handling and the problem is I'm stuck at the courthouse till I'm called on so I can't really go anywhere during court hours.

The office says an envelope arrived for me yesterday. Still haven't had a chance to open it.

If you could just give me a couple of days I will take the money order in and have it resent to your correct address. Just hang tight. I don't think you have another buyer for the glove, and even if you did I don't think they'd pay you anywhere near what I offered you.

So, please, just hang tight, ok?

E.Gumban


8. Email #8
Re: Glove and Money
Sent By: "Eriberto Gumban" <gumban.eriberto@yahoo.com> On: Nov 11/02/08 9:14 PM
To: enriquez26
Reply to: "gumban eriberto" <gumban.eriberto@yahoo.com>

Hi,

Yeah, it's already in an addressed Priority Mail Envelope. I'm already overpaying for the glove I can't afford to jack the price up on myself by sending this out Express Mal, again.

But I've got your new address on there and it is only a few hours south of me so it should get to you right away.

E.Gumban


9. Email #9
Re: Glove and Money
Sent By: "Eriberto Gumban" <gumban.eriberto@yahoo.com> On: Nov 11/06/08 9:38 PM
To: enriquez26

Priority. Should be there by tomorrow.


****Looking at this guys history (only 10 purchases in ebay) you see that he is a PI who works for his brother at :

Eriberto Gumban
Law Offices of Cagandahan, Javeed, &amp; Gumban
27536 Ponderosa Ct.
Hayward, CA 94545
United States
(510) 750-9044

***THE FACT IS THAT THE ADDRESS ABOVE IS ACTUALLY A RESIDENCE AND IT BELONGS TO:

Mr. Salvador Ruiz
27536 Ponderosa Ct
Hayward, CA 94545-4131
(510) 732-0457



**I have sent more than 10 email to this guy, left numerous phone messages and no answer. The issue with the USPS Express mail is a scam.

***I called the post master here in Tucson and he told me that the “Scammer” will address the shipment somewhere in your town but have incorrect addressing info so that the Express Mail is sent back to the originator. I was tracking the package on the www.USPS.com website and it said it had arrived in town and then shipped back because of erroneous addressing information.

***This guy was banking on me sending the glove before I received the check in the mail.

***I finally tried to locate his place of business and nothing.
I also contacted State Bar of California and they have no records of any Eriberto or any Law Offices of Cagandahan, Javeed, &amp; Gumban in the Entire State of California.

***The gentleman I spoke with was very interested in getting Mr. Gumban’s phone number and address.

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But the thing that PISSES ME OFF the most…is that he used this Forum as a tool to try to convince me that his intensions were legit.

My only point is that this FN PIECE OF SH%! Almost got away with it!!

I just don’t want any of you good guy getting scammed.

Keep your Guard up

Jesse

wow, the scum of the world. good catch

Jesse - good to hear you didn't send him the glove!! There are a lot of good people out there and a few bad ones...

Am I in the minority when I say that I never respond to someone that I don't know following the end of auction. Does it really seem reasonable that somebody is actually going to pay me more than double what I paid for a glove. Well... let me rephrase that because I'm sure we've all turned a tidy profit on the gloves we sell. But seriously, should we really let the lure of easy money cloud our better judgement? This double-dealing individual sounds as though he preys on people like that. I'm sorry, but I have to say that I would have no sympathy for any of his victims. The bottom line is the deal sounded shady from the beginning and I can't believe you fell for it. (almost)
When dealing with such offers I feel the best response is no response.

“I'm sorry, but I have to say that I would have no sympathy for any of his victims. The bottom line is the deal sounded shady from the beginning and I can't believe you fell for it. (almost)

Thanks for your analysis Dr. Phil.
Next time, just say thanks for the heads-up
And my advice to you…Keep your stupid opinions to yourself.

wow! now that was a very mature response. Lets try this again. Wow! thanks Enri for such a helpful post. I definitely might have fallen for this. Sometimes I lack reason and common sense, so I'm glad you brought it to the forums attention. THANKS FOR THE HEADS UP.

Enri,
Thanks for the heads up, it's appreciated. From my point of view, I have be honest with you, I tend to be way too trusting with the people that I do business with on eBay. There is a false sense of security due to the anonymity of the internet. We are all just one transaction away from dealing with someone with ulterior motives. I am thankful for what you've posted, it should serve as a reminder to everyone that they should use extra caution when dealing with people that they don't know and will in most cases, never meet. One negative thing that the internet has rendered is a whole new breeding ground for clever cheaters, liars, scammers and thieves, and more and more new and unsuspecting victims to do it to with each passing day.

Very best regards, br

Thank you for the post and warning. I will look into the users account.

As for people contacting the high bidder, it seems to be a moot point now as eBay now conceals the winning bidder. This should help to clean up this kind of nonsense further.

Good point Brett - this could be a major reason for the Ebay change and an indication that this kind of stuff has been going on.

drzubia, who would be laughing if it was legit and he got paid double? I think these things are ok, but only if you are positive that no fraud is involved.

I can't get past the part where you say Zappermeek is a 'highly recommended eBayer'. He is aka rubberduck11 with hundreds of negatives, and has burned more than a few us here on the forum. Buy one of his 'pro' gloves and expect to be disapointed.

I feel better now.

Thank you for the warning on this scam.

I've sold hundreds of things on eBay and had a few bidders leave me holding the bag.

It's hard not to trust people...but sometimes it's what needs to be done.

Hey guys i just want to say that i sold this guy a glove, just like ENRI26 did to the same guy. i bought a wilson XXL and he offered me double. so i did it. He sent me a money order and then a week later he said he wanted his money back. So he is a swindler. ANd i fell for it too, so im sucker i guess.

John

quaz95 wrote:Hey guys i just want to say that i sold this guy a glove, just like ENRI26 did to the same guy. i bought a wilson XXL and he offered me double. so i did it. He sent me a money order and then a week later he said he wanted his money back. So he is a swindler. ANd i fell for it too, so im sucker i guess.

John

I've done things that looking back should have sent my Spidey Sense tingling.

You just want to trust people...and sometimes that trust is used against you. It happens to a lot of us at one time or another.

I still think the best way to do business is via this forum. For the most part, we all know each other and are constantly talking gloves and understand everyone's agenda. Too bad there isn't an auction function on here completely mediated by Brett.