Ebay Dishonesty

[Hrking4675]

Ok I am just going to put this out there real quick without naming a seller, but I think we can all figure out who I am talking about here.

So the guy who was selling the "Exxon Valdez 2" was the same guy with a fake A2000 or A3000 up a week or two ago. I emailed the seller and he took it down. Personally, I think this guy knows something about gloves because most of them seem legit and then comes that Wilson "Korea" and then this mess, although the seller never said anything about horsehide or whatever the hell you want to call it. In the end, I think it is our responsibility as glovers to keep the game clean and honest. If I see something wrong, I will usually email the seller mostly because I am fed up. In doing so, I will often email sellers if they have something really rare that they may not know about so they do not get screwed in the end. I pride myself and my auctions in trying to 100% accurately describe my gloves and anyone who has bought from me can attest to that and I feel that most if not all of us are the same way.

Here's to everyone who plays the game right.

[vintagebrett]

I completely agree that educating people about gloves is super important. If anyone is going to bring up a "suspect" item on this forum here are couple of steps I would like you to consider:

1) First and foremost - contact the seller of the item to discuss your concerns (you may or may not receive a response but this should be the first step)
2) When posting, state your findings with fact based information
3) Do not resort to name calling, etc. - this seems to be why the other thread go out of hand. I am as sarcastic as anyone, but remember, it doesn't translate well on a message board.
4) If you have purchased an item and you feel is was misrepresented or isn't what you expected, that is for you and the seller to work out.

Thanks for you cooperation in these matters.

[wjr953]

Brett,
I'm in total agreement with your post. I pretty much try to follow the same basic guidelines that you have listed. I now have had two personal experiences with bogus A2000's in the last 6 months. Fortunately, both sellers refunded my money in full and everything ended well. I have had occasion to send emails to three other different sellers regarding Korean made A2000's. The first two times the sellers in question responded promptly, and then promised to either take the listing down or modify it to explain that that glove was a knockoff. The third seller I contacted basically blew me off and left the listing up, without making any notation that the glove was a fake. That was that "Shady" person. Once again, I have to ask the same question: Whatever happened to honesty and integrity? This country really is going to he** in a hand basket. Shameful.


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[doubleSwitch]

I did contact the Exxon guy Via Ebay before i posted here,This was his reply,

"Dear 90ft_fromhome,
I am very offended by your comments, after 50 years of treating leather baseball gloves and replacing laces, I felt it was the right thing to do, am not here to please you, nor any person like you. the glove was treated with Fiebings Aussie leather conditioner and a tea spoon of Bee Natural leather Care Leather Amore a lanolin based light oil, now put that in your forum, now how many gloves have I done this to, alot more gloves than you may have looked at with your eyes..thats it besides the new laces which were also treated before being installed. the forum you have indicated treats gloves in perfect condition that are suited for gloves of an era that represents an item of very rare quality, such as a game played glove of the Babe or perhaps a perfect Nokona early 3 finger model. this glove is playable..in outstanding condition...than again, you do not have to bid on this glove, move on to another glove you feel in your esteem opinion fits the quality you desire, you do not have to throw up on my lawn. if I do not care for your life..believe me, I will not wish to have you in any jail. now why would a grown up person of your statue use words like you have to express yourself??shame on you."

crzrnvlb Did this answer your question? If not, let the seller know.

The Idiot part was uncalled for, But i'm still scratching my head from his long rants.

The reason for the post was to educate the younger ones on NOT over oiling and throwing your glove into an oven. That Pro Rawlings and the Nokona he was selling must weigh like 5 or 6 LBS, My god!

[Chicago Red Sox Fan]

I want to go on record as being opposed to the act of throwing up on another person's lawn!

[Musashi]

Uncanny how the writing of the Exxon guy and the Ebay seller are so similar - it's almost like they're the same person... I'm thinking that he was trying drum up some buzz, or even dump the glove on one of us, before he relisted the Valdez glove. His mistake (other than insulting the forum) was seriously underestimating the knowledge base of the membership.

[wickedwoman11]

I just bought a Mizuno Victory Stage glove on ebay, and the condition of it leaves something to be desired. It was really dry, and the leather is very scuffed up. I wanted a backup glove to play with, so I'm really not happy with this one. Looks like I'm going to turn it and list it on Ebay myself this Sunday but...I'll actually show the photos of the scuffs, and I have already reconditioned the leather a little bit.

[rawcreations]

The weight of the Nokona is 2.4 lbs. and the Rawlings Pro-1000BFOT is exactly 2.1 lbs. I think the Nokona would have been less, but the elk hide liner may have brought it up a taste.
I am the seller, updated pics have been sent to Brett by e mail, he may share them with you, especially those of the Pro-1000BFOT
I have a NEW Rawlings Gold Glove P1000-3 in EBay that weights in at 2.1 lbs.
who is this: does it matter? who are you: does it matter?

Have you read Brett's resolution to this on going matter, Mr. 90ft, I appreciate your efforts, thanks for helping me on the A2000, I contacted the seller right away and a refund was issued. Your knowledge of the A2000 is very graciously appreciated. I have never looked at the authentication process of any glove, I just wanted to know what it was going to take to make the glove playable. The Pro glove, my neighbor bought. This selling of gloves is new to me, I relace gloves for free to the kid's near by.

Never mind, this is a useless cause to continue, the nokona glove never needed this forum to sell, Nokona gloves speak for themselves. whats it up to, have not checked today?

Has Brett seen this continued thread?

crzrnvlb

[GloveGypsy]

I am under the impression that Rawcreations and crzrnvlb on ebay is the same person.

crzrnvlb listed an eclectic batch of gloves on eBay this past spring and summer. When I asked about his source of gloves, he replied that his son is a professional baseball player and sends them home in a bag to him.

caveat emptor, folks!

[Musashi]

Mr. Ramos,

With every post, you're putting yourself under more and more scrutiny, and now it seems yet another one of your "stories" has come to light. I've checked your seller account, and it's quite obvious that selling gloves is NOT new to you.

And to answer your questions: I'm me; we're us; and as part of this forum, YES, it does matter - very much so.

Glove collecting is a passion for all of us - and more often than not, an expensive one. As such, dishonest Ebay sellers have been a big topic here for some time, and unfortunately, it continues to be a growing problem. That said, we not only educating ourselves on gloves, but we're also constantly researching and identifying problem sellers and making sure that our membership is informed.

Despite everything that's been said and done, note that I held out the olive branch - I only suggested that you give the members the explanation and the apology they deserve. Not only did you rudely decline that offer, you apparently want everyone to just to go on, turn a blind eye, and pretend nothing happened.

I'd like to point out that there are several members here who regularly sell gloves on Ebay. From what I can determine, all are trustworthy. More importantly, they all seem to take pride in their integrity. Consequently, their products speak for themselves (for either good or bad), and none of them feel the need to make up a provenance for anything they sell (or, for that matter, about themselves). As for the few that I've been fortunate enough to deal with personally, I would trust their descriptions and prices implicitly with no fear of being taken for a ride. I'm still willing to give you a second chance, but quite frankly, you have quite a hole to dig yourself out of - and it only seems to be getting deeper with each post you make.

[Hrking4675]

If his kid is a pro player, why is everything stock.... There would at least be an outlier or two from the store line from rawlings....

[Hrking4675]

So I dont really care for this nonsense about these two auctions anymore. Personally I would not care for either glove since the seller did not even know the correct model number until after I posted it in that forum.

What I am proposing/suggesting, that I think many of us already do, is post pictures here first before ebay- with links to the auction. That way, we all know the quality control of our own members and know who is selling what. I think in the end it works out for everyone, because your glove gets more publicity and you build up a better reputation with the people we are constantly buying or bidding against. Personally, I would love to just buy and sell gloves off of this forum and avoid the ebay/paypal fees, but sometimes that is where top dollar lies. This back and forth on the forum is fun until these stories get screwed around so many times with the question of not even knowing who you are talking to a seller, the buyer ect. I say just ignore the rest of those posts and move on. My motive for starting this thread was to get other people to just get on board for promoting their stuff here and in the right way.

[fuzzydogg22]

agreed HRking. It is a great thing to have a forum like this were we have the opportunity to view gloves before they go to be ebayed. Thanks again Brett!

[Musashi]

Sorry for the tirade(s)...but with some vintage gloves routinely topping $200+, I'd hate to see somebody snowed by a story like that.

That said, my apologies to the original poster and the rest of the forum, and as far as I'm concerned (unless I see another story similar to the "cordovan") all matters regarding Mr. Ramos are closed.

[vintagebrett]

boy, i go out for with my wife for a few hours to a great R.E.M. concert and come home to a discussion I thought had stopped this afternoon.

the horse is dead, beaten and on the way to the glue factory. this thread is locked. any other discussion of the "valdez" glove will result in your comments being deleted and your ability to post suspended. thanks.