Information on two gloves?

[wjr953]

1) Can anyone possibly give me some background information on a Rawlings, Model "Tony-C", Tony Conigliaro Wingback glove. I saw a glove on this forum that someone else had posted recently, which looked very similar, but theirs was a HOH glove. I just finished relacing this one and I checked the internet, but couldn't come up with any information on it. I'm trying to determine the approximate value of this glove for resale. It seems like it could be rare. I mean how many "Tony C" models could Rawlings have made?

2) I also have a Wilson Ball Hawk, Model A2194. The ink in the pocket area has been worn off and it's very difficult to read what's stamped there. I can make out the word "Pocket" (I think), and there's a word above that, which I can't read. Any ideas folks?

I respectfully defer to the knowledge of some of the more experienced people on this forum. Any input that anyone can give me on either glove would be most gratefully appreciated.

thanks, br

[jwoody]

VINTAGE BASEBALL GLOVE POCKET PRICE GUIDE-NO.8....TONY C. IN vg $40...excellent $80.....near mint $150...listed as common.....

[BretMan]

One thing you have to keep in mind about the Pocket Guide- those prices do not take into account the various levels of quality of endorsed gloves. The prices assume "mid-level quality" and you can make adjustments up and down accordingly.

Rawlings made Tony C. endorsed gloves ranging from cheap, kid-sized gloves to mid-priced offering to top-line XPG models.

Bill, is the actual model number on the glove "TONY C", instead of the usual number/letter combination, like GJ69 or XPG26? I seem to recall seeing such gloves before and they do not appear to be listed in the old Rawlings catalogs. Likely, they were made for retail sale through outlets such as department stores or retail chains.

Probably a mid-level glove and you would be doing well if you sold it for the book values listed. For most common gloves in average condition, eBay sales will typically be around half book value.

On the Wilson, if it's an older style glove, I did find an A2194 model listed in the Catalog Sourcebook. Wilson issued a model with this number in 1960, with the endorsement of Ned Garver. It was the least expensive glove in the line-up that year- obviously a kid's model- selling for just four dollars.

The Price Guide lists it as "very rare", but I don't suppose there is a big demand for Ned Garver memorabilia! Prices are $30/$45/$90 for VG/Ex/NM conditions.

[wjr953]

jwoody & BretMan,
Thank you for your quick replies, I appreciate it very much. Thanks for the pricing info jwoody. I'm a little surprised that it's listed as "common", this is the first Conigliaro glove like this that I've ever seen. Of course, I haven't been doing this as long as some of the others on the forum. Still, that's very interesting stuff.

Bret, yes the model number actually is "Tony C". For all intents and purposes I would have to say that this looks very much like an XPG that I saw in another photograph on this forum. The obvious differences between that XPG and this glove being that the one I have is a Fastback, Wingback, closed web glove. This glove would appear to be 11-12" in size, but I haven't really measured it yet. I will get some pictures up as soon as I can. I'm thinking that this one would be G or maybe VG, because the outer Rawlings fabric tag is gone, and the inner palm has some very minor "crackling". Also, their is a former owner's name written on the pinky finger (palm side), but that's really very faint. Other than that, the glove is in really nice shape, a beautiful golden color, just a nice piece of leather.

As far as the Wilson A2194 Ball Hawk, I can't really read any name on it, I wish that I could. The only thing I could get from it was up in the pocket, near the bottom of the inner web and that's usually the place where some of the older glove makers listed something referencing the web or the pocket style. I can make out the 2nd word as "Pocket" but there's something listed above it that I can't make out at all. I tried every which way I knew, but I nearly went blind trying to figure it out. You mentioned that the Catalog Sourcebook listed a manufacture date of 1960. That would make this glove 48 years old. The glove is in really nice shape for being that old, and it appears that all the original lacing is intact. I would classify this one as G-VG. It would be a fantastic find if this was in fact a Ned Garver glove, but with the ink being worn off the way it is, I have no way of verifying that with any degree of certainty. I'm going to take another look at it tonight. Guess I'll have to dig out the old magnifying glass. lol This glove also has a patent number and references "Streamlined Fingers". Whoever had it must have used it quite a bit, but also took very good care of it.
Again, thank you both very much for your input gentlemen, I really appreciate your help.

br

[wjr953]

Bret,
Regarding the Wilson A2194. After carefully cleaning the dirt off of the glove, it turns out that it's a "Hank Sauer" autograph model. I'm guessing that this isn't too rare, even in excellent condition.

br

[BretMan]

That's great that some cleaning brought out the stampings! And that narrows down the date, too. I needed to go back a little further in the Wilson catalogs. The A2194 Sauer model shows up in the 1955 and 1956 catalogs, and is closer to a mid-priced glove than the Ned Garver model.

Maybe not super rare, but I know you have the same philosophy that I do- any old glove is a great glove!

[wjr953]

Thanks for the update, I appreciate that. Yes, any old glove is a great glove, for sure. When I see older gloves like this one, I always wonder where they have been and what they have seen. A history lesson right in your own two hands!

VBR. br